Sunday, July 22, 2012

I'm not sure what to say.

*** Disclaimer - This is my blog. I'm not trying to be politically correct. I am taking a stand on what I see as a moral issue.

I know that thousands of people are writing/blogging about the recent Colorado shooting, and here is my two cents.

I was shocked. No, I really wasn't. I was hurt, mad, angry, frustrated, sick to my stomach, and I guess a little shocked, but not surprised. Who was? Who could be? Especially when people in the theater said "I thought it was some sort of stunt the theater was doing in connection with the movie."

For God's sake - OPEN YOUR EYES!!!  If people in the theater thought that a masked, armored, and armed gun man kicking open a door and throwing tear gas into a public theater before he opened fire was a stunt, our society is in a whole lot more trouble than we realize. I recognize that if I was in that theater, I would have likely thought the same thing - "Oh the theater is pulling a stunt." But how do I convey that I feel nauseous when I saw Dark Knight, and I wanted to run to the closest well lit place and scream? Scream out my frustration with Hollywood, with society and their apathy, and my horror at what was being portrayed as entertainment. Had I been in a theater that actually did a stunt like that (and let's be reasonable, it's not a far flung idea.... no one is yelling 'fire!'....................) I would have left. Invoking terror is not entertainment. It's terrorism. And yet, we still pay $15+ to go see it at midnight because "it's not really real." Well, it wasn't until Thursday night in Aurora, Colorado.

Here is where I make my stand. Violence, cruelty (especially human to human cruelty as depicted in the most recent batman movies), and over sexualization of people are unacceptable. I have walked out of movies without embarrassment because I felt they were violent. As a society, the fact that these movies are 'okay' and are sold out for midnight showings is disgusting. Yes, the effects are cool, the cinematography is awesome, the costumes intricate, and the acting well done. But the fact that big screen horror and reality merged in such a gruesome way on the opening night is a telltale sign that society is reaping the effects of apathetically sitting by and accepting this crap as entertainment. 

I have posted the following conversation which I had on Facebook about the topic. If you're going to read it, please read it through to the end, as I feel by the end I make myself fairly clear.  I have since deleted it from FB - fyi. 

To end on a personal note: My heart goes out to ANY family who has lost someone. When I was seventeen my sister died unexpectedly. Regardless of how someone dies, it always hurts. Each story is tragic and heart wrenching. Also, for most of 2011 I lived about ten minutes away from this theater and visited it often. I have a dear friend who was in one of the adjacent theaters that night, and woke her up  via texting to see if she and our other friends were okay. Thankfully, they were. 




"My sympathy goes out to everyone - my tolerance for violence does not."



I'm really not sure what to say.... I'm sorry to the victims and their families and friends I guess? But how does that make things better?

This is the results of glorifying violence. I'm not going to blame gun laws, or lack of police, I'm simply going to point out that I'm not surprised, and that makes me sick. For all those who I've previously expressed my opinion about this movie, I feel I can say "I told you so."

http://gma.yahoo.com/mass-shooting-colo-movie-theater-14-people-dead-085940786--abc-news-topstories.html
 ·  ·  · Friday at 9:45am · 


    • Natalie Megan Seader That's a bit of a heartless comment.
      Friday at 10:22am via mobile · 

    • Susan Waller Previously I've opposed violent movies - specifically The Dark Knight - because of what they spread as acceptable. It horrifies me that some idiot used this movie as a platform to senselessly kill, but let's face it, he brought the movie to life which is something I predicted would happen when I saw Dark Knight a few years ago.
      Perhaps my comment does seem heartless, but would you exactly rate any the Batman movies as heartwarming? The movies in and of themselves are heartless.

      Friday at 11:02am ·  · 1

    • Natalie Megan Seader This event is about the loss of those who have died, those who are injured. This movie is just a platform and event that gave a man who is disturbed to cause destruction, pain, and to gain attention. We can't blame the movie for the violence that he caused. It takes someone who has their own personal problems to do something as tragic as this.

      You just said yourself that you've watched the movies, so that must automatically make you capable of murder and destruction. How dare you sit there and say that movies creat this sort of event. It is a personal choice by an individual, or group of people if it may be, to murder. It is their own mental unbalance that has led to this sad day.
      I don't know if you're on a spiritual high right now but you better step off your high mountain before you say something that will regret. You're being hypocritical and very uncompassionate when it very well could have been your friends or family killed, injured, or involved in what happened last night in Aurora.

      Friday at 11:20am via mobile ·  · 1

    • Susan Waller Thank you, I know. You are completely missing my point. I am genuinely sorry about the lives that have been ruined by what happened. I however, am not sympathetic to Hollywoods role in portraying mass violence as okay.

    • Julie Hofer pointing out those notions does not make susan heartless. get real.
      Friday at 11:43am ·  · 1

    • Susan Waller Thank you Julie.

    • Natalie Megan Seader By saying "I'm sorry to the victims and their families and friends I guess?" doesn't really show genuine care in my eyes. I understand that movies these days portray violence, but movies since the beginning have shown violence. Film itself is just more wide spread and known and technology has increased making the movies seem so life like, so it seems as if Hollywood may be getting worse (which it may be) but that doesn't mean the movie premier last night was the cause of this tragedy. I do, now, understand what you mean, but in an event like this, i would maybe just pray for those who have been lost and who need our prayers, not point fingers and start blaming Hollywood, they're just trying to entertain the masses.

    • Susan Waller Just trying to entertain the masses?! And that justifies media violence like the movies? That is my point exactly. We are so desensitized to violence as a society that even though this is heart breaking, who was really surprised that something like this happened?
      Friday at 12:12pm ·  · 2

    • Susan Waller BTW - Porn is just trying to entertain the masses.........
      Friday at 12:13pm ·  · 1

    • Forrest Waller up until 1970's violence in movies largely consisted of the occasional thrown punch, gentlemanly sword fight, or gunshot. Body counts were mostly in the single digits (if greater than 1 or 2 to begin with) The Ten Commandments has one of the 'bloodiest' scenes of the time when it shows the destruction of Pharaohs army in the Red Sea.

      Trust me, movies are far more gruesome and violent today than they ever were more than 40 years ago. More so than simple technological developments can account for. You can chiefly point to shifting social trends and the cultural desire for "darker and edgier" which occurred in the 70's and 80's and then was merchandised in the 90's and 00's


    • Natalie Megan Seader i understand what you're saying and i agree to an extent. But it's up to the individual to participate. We have our own free agency. People will do what they want throughout their lives, doesn't make it right, but again it's up to the individual. At this time we should be focusing less on the effect Hollywood is having and your views on what's right and wrong and focus on the good in life and pray for those who have been lost and are still suffereing. Saying I told you so doesnt help people feel like you actually care. The End.

    • Forrest Waller Worth noting that even 'violent' movies of the 1950s (which were mostly westerns or world war 1/2 period pieces) rarely, if ever, showed blood of any kind (usually a gut shot and a 'last chance' conversation death scene with a particularly important character) and often the violence was abstracted by distance (gunshot over here, guy falls down waaaaaaaaaaaay over there)

    • Forrest Waller acting self-righteous on the interwebs never helps...
      Friday at 12:30pm ·  · 1

    • Natalie Megan Seader I agree, that's why i'm trying to make the point. The film itself is not at fault. Yes it's a violent movie. The guy is the cause, himself, not someone or something else. We need to be prayerful of those lost and suffering, not on the fact that a tragedy happened at a Hollywood "violent" movie.
      Friday at 12:33pm · Edited · 

    • Susan Waller Natalie, I totally disagree. While some idiot misused his personal will to do this, Hollywood showed him a pretty good example on how to do it. Oh yea, it's showing everyone else too. "I don't know if you're on a spiritual high right now but you better step off your high mountain before you say something that will regret."

    • Natalie Megan Seader what's showing everyone else?

    • Forrest Waller my honest reaction this morning? "not that surprised" this was a 'sooner or later' event, and the nature of movies is indicative of that. Did batman make this guy go nuts? no, no more than the devil made me do it. But society is so steeped in trash these days it just seems like a better and better idea every time you think about it.

      this isn't a self-righteous "don't watch R rated movies" (though i find myself agreeing with that counsel more and more) but rather "what the hell society"

      Friday at 12:40pm ·  · 1

    • Natalie Megan Seader I agree Forrest, what the heck society is right. It is going to heck in a hand-basket. I guess I'm having a different reaction than you because i'm here and do have friends that live there, were involved, and some that I'm still unsure about because I haven't heard from them.

    • Natalie Megan Seader I'm sorry for the argumentative debate, I was a little high strung when responding. Lets pray the world can get better.

    • Bill Perkins Ok most of the time I stay far clear of these "battle of the wills" but I have to say something here. Natalie I've never met you, so please don't take what I have to say offensive but I think in this case you are a bit wrong.

    • Natalie Megan Seader no offense taken at all. what is it that i'm wrong in?

    • Bill Perkins First off Hollywod has a great deal of influence over people, both youth and adults. A good deal of rapist and murderers started with viewing porn and got into stronger stuff, leading to worse things. Violence tends to beget violence, I believe. Second from a thought pattern of this nut job from last night, that was his own agency, but I'll bet you apples to oranges his room is filled with porn and violent images. Third debate is always healthy but should never be personal, you should go after someone's spirituality. Remember what Jesus said to the women who was taken n adultery, "he that is without sin among, let him cast the first stone at her". You sound like a very educated person, please don't let debate get personal. I tend to agree with Susan on this one, on other things I may disagree. Just remember the more numb we get to violence the more crime and violence in life actually occurs. Again like I said you sound educated and so for that I respect your opinion on this issue.
      Friday at 12:58pm ·  · 1

    • Susan Waller Thank you. I have similarly articulated both points (on porn and violence) several times before. My stance is unapologetic in regards to both.
      Friday at 1:09pm · 

    • Bill Perkins So your mission did you some good, good girl
      Friday at 1:09pm · 

    • Natalie Megan Seader i agree Hollywood can influence people. I never said i didn't. As far as going after Susan's spirituality that was a random thought i should have not pursued in posting. For that i am sorry. I fully agree with your statement. My point in this debate is that it isn't Hollywoods fault just as much as fast food is the cause of people getting fat. Yes it influences but it's up to the individual. I guess i rather read about how people are praying for those involved in this and not saying "I told you so". Just not the right mood to set.
      Friday at 1:11pm · 

    • Bill Perkins Lehi spoke about this nut job from last night....Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself.
      Friday at 1:13pm · 

    • Bill Perkins Hollywood is a BIG part in the influence of the world. I would not what my kids (if I had any) looking up to Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian. I'd rather they look up to their parents, Sister Monson and others. I agree, they will be in my prayers tonight and I agree the "I told you so" comment may have been a bit strong, but it brings the point home.
      Friday at 1:17pm · 

    • Susan Waller It is a bit strong, but I think that those who scoffed at my disgust of the movies earlier now see why I scoffed at the widespread use of media violence - because stuff like this happens. And my strong use of it in no way negates my feelings of sympathy for those affected by any form of loss.
      Friday at 1:20pm ·  · 1

    • Bill Perkins I know that Susan
      Friday at 1:22pm · 

    • Natalie Megan Seader ‎Susan, thank you for your last comment. Your words have helped me see your view point a lot better now. I do wanna appologize for coming off brash. I agree with you against the violense and pornography in film and even television these days. It's gotten to a dissgusting point in our day in age and I fear it will only continue to get worse. May women like you continue to stand up for what is right. I support you in that goal.
      Friday at 3:00pm · 

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